From: Jonathan Katz Date: 14:51 on 27 Sep 2007 Subject: Fuck you Siebel (2) ------=_Part_1720_17384626.1190901071810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear Siebel, When I run the installer on my Solaris box as "./setupsol -console" I expect that the installer remains in a CLI-mode. This does not mean execute the first half of the install process from the command line and then launch a portion of the X-windows installer. I just happened to have Exceed running on my laptop and X11 tunneling turned on to catch this, otherwise I didn't know why the installer kept crapping out half-way through. Requiring a GUI to do things on a Unix system is a special kind of hate. Also, the installer should not require us to populate values in the configuration files, essentially slowing-down the install process and eliminating any form of automation (as it's the X11 component of the install that requires us to fill in values.) I should be able to independently generate configuration files and copy them in place after the install. After all, the install process is not dependent upon those values.
From: Roger Burton West Date: 15:08 on 27 Sep 2007 Subject: Re: Fuck you Siebel (2) On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 09:51:11AM -0400, Jonathan Katz wrote: >Requiring a GUI >to do things on a Unix system is a special kind of hate. See also Oracle. Somewhere I still have my "how to install Oracle 8 on a sanely-configured Unix system, and what you'll have to install beforehand and remove afterwards". R
From: Jonathan Katz Date: 15:22 on 27 Sep 2007 Subject: Re: Fuck you Siebel (2) ------=_Part_1930_2812793.1190902970463 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It's the same for Oracle 9i and 10g, I'm afraid. We've had to change our security spec/docs so we can "minimize less" by requiring X11 libraries to be installed on our systems. The DBAs want to keep that stuff around, too, for OEM and friends. On 9/27/07, Roger Burton West <roger@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 09:51:11AM -0400, Jonathan Katz wrote: > > >Requiring a GUI > >to do things on a Unix system is a special kind of hate. > > See also Oracle. Somewhere I still have my "how to install Oracle 8 on a > sanely-configured Unix system, and what you'll have to install > beforehand and remove afterwards". > > ------=_Part_1930_2812793.1190902970463 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It's the same for Oracle 9i and 10g, I'm afraid.<br><br>We've had to change our security spec/docs so we can "minimize less" by requiring X11 libraries to be installed on our systems. The DBAs want to keep that stuff around, too, for OEM and friends. <br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/27/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Roger Burton West</b> <<a href="mailto:roger@xxxxxxxxx.xxx">roger@xxxxxxxxx.xxx</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 09:51:11AM -0400, Jonathan Katz wrote:<br><br>>Requiring a GUI<br>>to do things on a Unix system is a special kind of hate.<br><br>See also Oracle. Somewhere I still have my "how to install Oracle 8 on a <br>sanely-configured Unix system, and what you'll have to install<br>beforehand and remove afterwards".<br><br></blockquote></div> ------=_Part_1930_2812793.1190902970463--
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